Talk:Lod Airport massacre

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Lod Airport massacre article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Israel Mid‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Israel, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Israel on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IsraelWikipedia:WikiProject IsraelTemplate:WikiProject IsraelIsrael-related articles

Mid

This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Project Israel To Do:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Assess : Rate the Unassessed Israel-related articles and Unknown-importance Israel-related articles.
Cleanup : Cleanup listing for this project is available. See also the list by category and the tool's wiki page.
Collaborate : Participate in WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration.
Copyedit : Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict in 2005
Deletion sorting : Participate in discussions at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Israel.
Expand : Ayala Procaccia, Diamond industry in Israel, Edna Arbel, Levin Kipnis, Rami Kleinstein, Sephardic Haredim, Zman Tel Aviv, Nachum Heiman, Public Defence (Israel), Prisoner of Zion, Trial of Benjamin Netanyahu, Day to Mark the Departure and Expulsion of Jews from the Arab Countries and Iran, Pre-Modern Aliyah
See also Articles needing translation from Hebrew Wikipedia.
Geographical coordinates : Add geographic coordinates to Israel articles missing geocoordinate data.
Infobox : Add infoboxes to Israel articles needing infoboxes.
Maintain : See Israel articles needing attention.
Map : See discussion at Module:Location map/data/Israel. Add maps to articles in Wikipedia requested maps in Israel.
NPOV : Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries
Photo : Add pictures to articles in Wikipedia requested photographs in Israel.
Stubs : See Israel stubs.
Update : Basic Law proposal: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People
Other :
- Translate to Hebrew : David Bar-Hayim, Guy Bavli, and Guy Oseary.

Palestine Low‑importance

	Palestine portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Palestine, a team effort dedicated to building and maintaining comprehensive, informative and balanced articles related to the geographic Palestine region, the Palestinian people and the State of Palestine on Wikipedia. Join us by visiting the project page, where you can add your name to the list of members where you can contribute to the discussions.PalestineWikipedia:WikiProject PalestineTemplate:WikiProject PalestinePalestine-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Crime and Criminal Biography: Terrorism Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Crime and Criminal Biography articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Crime and Criminal BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyCrime-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by the Terrorism task force (assessed as Low-importance).

Disaster management Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Disaster management, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Disaster management on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Disaster managementWikipedia:WikiProject Disaster managementTemplate:WikiProject Disaster managementDisaster management articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Japan Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Japan, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Japan-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project, participate in relevant discussions, and see lists of open tasks. Current time in Japan: 09:12, November 14, 2024 (JST, Reiwa 6) (Refresh)JapanWikipedia:WikiProject JapanTemplate:WikiProject JapanJapan-related articles

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

WikiProject Japan to do list:

Peer review: None
A-class review: None

Featured content candidates –

Articles: None
Pictures: None
Lists: None

Good article nominations: Vinland Saga (TV series), Godzilla Minus One
Add requested images to articles that need them.
Pages for Deletion: Participate in Japan-related deletion discussions.
Improve and expand Japan-related stubs.
Create some requested articles.
Help translate an article from the Japanese Wikipedia into English.
Assess unassessed articles

Puerto Rico Low‑importance

	Puerto Rico portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Puerto Rico, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics related to Puerto Rico on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Puerto RicoWikipedia:WikiProject Puerto RicoTemplate:WikiProject Puerto RicoPuerto Rico articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

United States: Hispanic and Latino Low‑importance

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	Hispanic and Latino Americans portal This article is supported by the Hispanic and Latino Americans task force.

Socialism Low‑importance

	Socialism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Socialism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of socialism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SocialismWikipedia:WikiProject SocialismTemplate:WikiProject Socialismsocialism articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Warning: active arbitration remedies

The contentious topics procedure applies to this article. This article is related to the Arab–Israeli conflict, which is a contentious topic. Furthermore, the following rules apply when editing this article:

You must be logged-in and extended-confirmed to edit or discuss this topic on any page (except for making edit requests, provided they are not disruptive)
You may not make more than 1 revert within 24 hours on any edits related to this topic

Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page.

Further information

The exceptions to the extended confirmed restriction are:

Non-extended-confirmed editors may use the "Talk:" namespace only to make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive.
Non-extended-confirmed editors may not create new articles, but administrators may exercise discretion when deciding how to enforce this remedy on article creations. Deletion of new articles created by non-extended-confirmed editors is permitted but not required.

With respect to the WP:1RR restriction:

Clear vandalism of whatever origin may be reverted without restriction. Also, reverts made solely to enforce the extended confirmed restriction are not considered edit warring.
Editors who violate this restriction may be blocked by any uninvolved administrator, even on a first offence.

After being warned, contentious topics procedure can be used against any editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process. Contentious topic sanctions can include blocks, topic-bans, or other restrictions.
Editors may report violations of these restrictions to the Arbitration enforcement noticeboard.

If you are unsure if your edit is appropriate, discuss it here on this talk page first. When in doubt, don't revert!

A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the On this day section on 15 dates. [show]

May 30, 2008, May 30, 2009, May 30, 2010, May 30, 2011, May 30, 2012, May 30, 2013, May 30, 2014, May 30, 2015, May 30, 2016, May 30, 2017, May 30, 2018, May 30, 2019, May 30, 2020, May 30, 2021, and May 30, 2022

Untitled

What was the aim of this massacre?

To inflict fear/terrorize the public. As noted in the article, the attackers killed people relatively randomly, killing mostly Christian pilgrims. MG196 15:07, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually most of the civilian casualties were done by Israeli security. They blamed it on the JRA fighters afterwards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.79.232.194 (talk) 18:28, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Huge NPOV problem in this article. --Stephenzhu 01:33, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The aim of the so-called massacre was to take over the control tower in support of a larger PFLP operation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.79.232.194 (talk) 20:09, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It looks to me as if the article is presenting a list of facts. I dont see any POV issues whatsoever. But, considering eye of the beholder and all that, please be specific. MG196 15:07, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I find the last statement, that the samurai scene from "The Life of Brian" might represent Japanese participation in the Lod Massacre very, very unlikely. I think it is more likely that the samurai are included because they had a heritage of suicide. I am going to delete this passage. --Minarelli 12:58, 30 May 2008 (GMT)

List of victims

Hello.

What is the source for the list of victims? isn't a citation needed?

I have a good reason to suspect that the list is not accurate, Since my grandmother, who was murdered in this event, does not appear in it (or were they lying to me all those years?)

Yohai.bs (talk) 19:37, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Im an investigator and Im trying to locate the family of the victims in this Massacre, specifically the Puerto Rico victims. Please contact me at: fernandofernandezpr@hotmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.45.76.132 (talk) 00:18, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It seems 26 killed includes 2 of the perpetrators. Menachemsdavis (talk) 22:05, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

This article but repeats the position of Western media and completely ignores what actually happened on that day! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.58.51 (talk) 12:22, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide sources that contradict the position of western news sources?--Korruski^Talk 13:54, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E8%B5%A4%E8%BB%8D%E2%80%951969%E2%86%922001-KAWADE%E5%A4%A2%E3%83%A0%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF/dp/4309976018 I posted this before, but it seems to have been lost some time ago by vandalism of Western foreigners —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.166.181.143 (talk) 13:01, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, I cannot read this, but it doesn't appear to me to be a particularly reliable source. Can you explain more about what, exactly, it says?--Korruski^Talk 09:14, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They are interviews and articles written by living JRA fighters. My other sources either refer to this book, or is from the remaining "RED ARMY" factions in Japan, the "MOVEMENT RENTAI" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.172.186.59 (talk) 14:01, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In that case they are primary sources with a clear potential for bias, and their use should be avoided.--Korruski^Talk 14:05, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is much more trustworthy than outright propaganda published by the Western media; for example, they claim that the object of the attack was to kill civilians, and that all the victims were shot by the JRA fighters, while it becomes obvious to anybody who reads the information that it was in fact the Zionist security that caused a large part of the casualty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.172.186.59 (talk) 02:26, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, your view simply isn't supported by Wikipedia policy, community consensus, or general journalistic standards. We shall have to agree to disagree but please do not continue to edit war on the article.--Korruski^Talk 09:01, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lonna Sabah - Canadian Victim

Name is mispelled - should be Luna Sabbah Born in Morocco - married name is Sabbah original family name Abitbol

Please Correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.116.190.130 (talk) 22:59, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Any citations to back this up? From a quick google search, everybody says Lonna. I can't find any mention of "Luna Sabah" involved in this. Mateinsixtynine (talk) 23:13, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Aviation incident

Its been decided after some talk, that this and other airport bombings or massacres are not to be put in aviation accident templates or categorized as a aviation accident or incident. If you disagree, don't revert, but instead come over to this discussion[1] and we'll listen to your opinion....William 19:55, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Violin cases, and who is copying from whom?

The claim that the weapons were held in "slim violin cases" was added by an anon in 2007 without bringing a source. I'm wondering how solid this information is. Previously the text just read "slim cases", which matches many good sources I could find that just refer to luggage. I do see "violin cases" in some recent sources, but I'm not sure if they are authoritative rather than just copying off each other. Speaking of copying, this book published in 2011 contains a verbatim copy of a paragraph that we had here in 2008. Zero^talk 13:16, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 May 2017

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Kōzō Okamoto first name should always be written with long vowels, and not as 'Kozo'. Please correct. Lancioni (talk) 15:07, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 16:02, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

The weapon description in the summary of the article is not correct. Vz. 58 rifles were used, not AK-47 (completely different guns)... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Druggula (talk • contribs)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:11, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There are many reliable sources confirming this. E.g. The 50 Worst Terrorist Attacks By Edward F. Mickolus, Susan L. Simmons^[1]. But mainly - it is already correctly described in the wiki article itself with proper source. Only the summary is wrong. —Druggula (talk) 11:45, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please tell us which page it's on? The books link itself for me isn't enough to be considered useful in the case. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) 21:08, 1 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://books.google.cz/books?id=_haDBAAAQBAJ&lpg=PP1&pg=PA12#v=onepage&q&f=false

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) 00:18, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Lod Airport massacre. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141227112810/http://www.archives.gov.il/NR/exeres/A1B1717E-45BA-475D-9613-541C4B566C6E%2Cframeless.htm?NRMODE=Published to http://www.archives.gov.il/NR/exeres/A1B1717E-45BA-475D-9613-541C4B566C6E%2Cframeless.htm?NRMODE=Published

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 01:00, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Lod Airport massacre. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 05:22, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request

The weapons used were vz. 58 assault rifles, which actually aren't Kalashnikovs at all — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.246.51.117 (talk) 04:20, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Aftermath

Request to add the assassination of Ghassan Kanafani, then spokeperson of of the PFLP, by Mossad as a response to the attack. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.107.240.147 (talk) 08:47, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 May 2019

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

In the section "Aftermath" it is claimed that Okamato could have been given the death penalty, however Israel has all but abolished the death penalty and doesn't have pleas, only plea bargains. 93.172.97.189 (talk) 12:47, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. A source cited in the article that says Okamoto "managed to avoid the death penalty by pleading guilty." Do you have a different source that says something contradictory? – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:41, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Weapons listed in sidebar are incorrect.

The article correctly states that Czech vz. 58 rifles were used however the sidebar summary says "Kalashnikov assault rifles" were used. These are two different types of weapons that are only superficially similar. Sidebar should be updated to match the article.

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.106.232.159 (talk) 00:35, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:37, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

North Korean response to the lawsuit

I couldn't find any information pertaining to North Korean government responding to the verdict of the lawsuit. Can anyone provide some information about that? Rozchwierutany (talk) 14:12, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 May 2022

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

The introductory sentence is very long: 53 words plus several numbers and one acronym. Please change "1972, in which three" to "1972. Three" This will leave us with one sentence of 12 words and one of 39 words — still very long, but not as bad. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 23:26, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done, and I cut out "the Palestinian group called" also. DarthFlappy 14:18, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 May 2022

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Just another request to condense the intro a little. Please remove

Katzir was head of the Israeli National Academy of Sciences and a popular scientific radio show host; he was also a candidate in the upcoming Israeli presidency election.

and add

Katzir was head of the Israeli National Academy of Sciences, a popular scientific radio show host, and a candidate in the upcoming Israeli presidential election.

49.198.51.54 (talk) 22:48, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

PS, "presidency election" is wrong, so I tweaked my request to include a correction. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 22:49, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done DarthFlappy 18:43, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://books.google.cz/books?id=_haDBAAAQBAJ&lpg=PP1&pg=PA12#v=onepage&q&f=false

[1]